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TiberiusB at 20:09, 10 September 2025

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TiberiusB: /* Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord */

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Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord

TiberiusB: /* Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord */

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Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord

TiberiusB: /* Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord */

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Exchange between Tibi and Vinicious 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord

TiberiusB: /* Regenerative economy */

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Regenerative economy

TiberiusB at 16:22, 8 April 2022

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TiberiusB at 16:22, 8 April 2022

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TiberiusB at 16:21, 8 April 2022

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TiberiusB at 16:12, 8 April 2022

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	Science and biology: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis autopoiesis] = capacity to regenerate itself.		Science and biology: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis autopoiesis] = capacity to regenerate itself.

		+	=Study question=
		+	Is regenerativeness an emergent property of p2p, or is it a component, part of the ingredients that make up p2p initiatives?

	=Regenerative finance=		=Regenerative finance=

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 Tibi: I see circular as being mainly (only) focused on resources. It also assumes that the world is the same, same institutional make-up.
-So the question here is how cam we utilise these institutions, in the same structure, to do things in a more sustainable way. So you end up with a dialectic: feed the economy (create jobs, wealth) but at the same time, introduce cohesive, opposing measures to recycle, reuse, which shows down the economic machine. So in order to live within our means and capacity we need to balance between these opposing forces. On the contrary, the regenerative economy solves this dialectic. Like a forest, it regenerates its capacity from it's own activities. So the regeneration doesn't come from an opposing force, but from its own functioning.  A better architecture that is sustainable in itself. Now, ... Would you agree that the 4th Sector, or p2p is by nature regenerative? I think it comes from its inherent complexity, many feedback loops. Permaculture. Like a forest, it regenerates itself just from doing what it does, being a forest. It's the complexity, autopoesis, Tim used to say another word... Homeostasis, which cannot express itself in mechanistic, simple, linear systems.
+So the question here is how cam we utilise these institutions, in the same structure, to do things in a more sustainable way. So you end up with a dialectic: feed the economy (create jobs, wealth) but at the same time, introduce cohesive, opposing measures to recycle, reuse, which shows down the economic machine. So in order to live within our means and capacity we need to balance between these opposing forces. On the contrary, the regenerative economy solves this dialectic. Like a forest, it regenerates its capacity from it's own activities. So the regeneration doesn't come from an opposing force, but from its own functioning.  A better architecture that is sustainable in itself. Now, ... Would you agree that the 4th Sector, or p2p is by nature regenerative? I think it comes from its inherent [[complexity]], many feedback loops. Permaculture. Like a forest, it regenerates itself just from doing what it does, being a forest. It's the [[complexity]], autopoesis, Tim used to say another word... Homeostasis, which cannot express itself in mechanistic, simple, linear systems.
 Vini:  yep, spot on ! [[complexity-doing]], baby ! Or the so called ' 2nd order of cybernetics ' by Claude Channon that inspired Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana to create in the 70's the concept of 'autopoiesis' ... having nature's complexity-doing as reference

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−	From this discussion, Tibi made a prompt to Chat GPT: How can autopoiesis and homeostasis be applied to sustainable resource management	+	From this discussion, Tibi made a prompt to Chat GPT: ''How can autopoiesis and homeostasis be applied to sustainable resource management''

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 Autopoiesis and homeostasis can be effectively applied to sustainable resource management by enhancing system resilience and adaptability.
-**Autopoiesis** involves systems that self-produce and maintain their organization, which is crucial for developing sustainable practices that allow for continuous resource regeneration and adaptation to environmental changes[1][4]. By incorporating autopoietic principles, resource management systems can become more self-sufficient, reducing dependency on external inputs and minimizing waste[5].
+'''Autopoiesis''' involves systems that self-produce and maintain their organization, which is crucial for developing sustainable practices that allow for continuous resource regeneration and adaptation to environmental changes[1][4]. By incorporating autopoietic principles, resource management systems can become more self-sufficient, reducing dependency on external inputs and minimizing waste[5].
-**Homeostasis** ensures stability by regulating internal conditions despite external fluctuations. In resource management, this means maintaining balance and efficiency in resource use, adapting to changes while preserving system integrity[2][3]. Together, these concepts promote a dynamic equilibrium, ensuring resources are used sustainably and systems remain resilient to environmental challenges.
+'''Homeostasis''' ensures stability by regulating internal conditions despite external fluctuations. In resource management, this means maintaining balance and efficiency in resource use, adapting to changes while preserving system integrity[2][3]. Together, these concepts promote a dynamic equilibrium, ensuring resources are used sustainably and systems remain resilient to environmental challenges.
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 So the question here is how cam we utilise these institutions, in the same structure, to do things in a more sustainable way. So you end up with a dialectic: feed the economy (create jobs, wealth) but at the same time, introduce cohesive, opposing measures to recycle, reuse, which shows down the economic machine. So in order to live within our means and capacity we need to balance between these opposing forces. On the contrary, the regenerative economy solves this dialectic. Like a forest, it regenerates its capacity from it's own activities. So the regeneration doesn't come from an opposing force, but from its own functioning.  A better architecture that is sustainable in itself. Now, ... Would you agree that the 4th Sector, or p2p is by nature regenerative? I think it comes from its inherent complexity, many feedback loops. Permaculture. Like a forest, it regenerates itself just from doing what it does, being a forest. It's the complexity, autopoesis, Tim used to say another word... Homeostasis, which cannot express itself in mechanistic, simple, linear systems.
-Vini:  yep, spot on ! [[complexity-doing]], baby ! Or the so called ' 2nd order of cybernetics ' by Claude Channon that inspired Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana to create in the 70's the concept of ' autopoiesis ' ... having nature's complexity-doing as reference
+Vini:  yep, spot on ! [[complexity-doing]], baby ! Or the so called ' 2nd order of cybernetics ' by Claude Channon that inspired Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana to create in the 70's the concept of 'autopoiesis' ... having nature's complexity-doing as reference
 Tibi: Can you redefine that once again?

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	=Regenerative economy=		=Regenerative economy=
	Related to [[permaculture]]. Developed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fullerton John Fullerton]		Related to [[permaculture]]. Developed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fullerton John Fullerton]
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		+	==Exchange between [[Tibi]] and [[Vinicious]] 10/18/2024 around 1:30 AM on Discord==
		+	Vini: {the regenerative economy has something to do} with the possibility to re-signify [[wealth]] and wealth generation through the P2P experience of a resource driven abundance logic glocal economies....
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		+	Tibi: I see circular as being mainly (only) focused on resources. It also assumes that the world is the same, same institutional make-up.
		+	So the question here is how cam we utilise these institutions, in the same structure, to do things in a more sustainable way. So you end up with a dialectic: feed the economy (create jobs, wealth) but at the same time, introduce cohesive, opposing measures to recycle, reuse, which shows down the economic machine. So in order to live within our means and capacity we need to balance between these opposing forces. On the contrary, the regenerative economy solves this dialectic. Like a forest, it regenerates its capacity from it's own activities. So the regeneration doesn't come from an opposing force, but from its own functioning. A better architecture that is sustainable in itself. Now, ... Would you agree that the 4th Sector, or p2p is by nature regenerative? I think it comes from its inherent complexity, many feedback loops. Permaculture. Like a forest, it regenerates itself just from doing what it does, being a forest. It's the complexity, autopoesis, Tim used to say another word... Homeostasis, which cannot express itself in mechanistic, simple, linear systems.
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		+	Vini: yep, spot on ! [[complexity-doing]], baby ! Or the so called ' 2nd order of cybernetics ' by Claude Channon that inspired Francisco Varela and Humberto Maturana to create in the 70's the concept of ' autopoiesis ' ... having nature's complexity-doing as reference
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		+	Tibi: Can you redefine that once again?
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		+	Vini: [[complexity-doing]] considers that the agency of change is interactively always occurring within different actors, contexts and dimensions through symbiotic dynamics.... it establishes not only temporary patterns of organisations and modes of regulation to deal with an constant changing environment, but also builds capacity to adapt on the fly... it's an totally different beast from the regular ' systems and design thinking ' that needs previous mapping and planning to deal ' predictably' with change in order to control the outcome ....
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		+	From this discussion, Tibi made a prompt to Chat GPT: How can autopoiesis and homeostasis be applied to sustainable resource management
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		+	Answer:
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		+	Autopoiesis and homeostasis can be effectively applied to sustainable resource management by enhancing system resilience and adaptability.
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		+	Autopoiesis involves systems that self-produce and maintain their organization, which is crucial for developing sustainable practices that allow for continuous resource regeneration and adaptation to environmental changes[1][4]. By incorporating autopoietic principles, resource management systems can become more self-sufficient, reducing dependency on external inputs and minimizing waste[5].
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		+	Homeostasis ensures stability by regulating internal conditions despite external fluctuations. In resource management, this means maintaining balance and efficiency in resource use, adapting to changes while preserving system integrity[2][3]. Together, these concepts promote a dynamic equilibrium, ensuring resources are used sustainably and systems remain resilient to environmental challenges.
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		+	Citations:
		+	[1] http://turing.iimas.unam.mx/sos/sites/default/files/29-RvASo.pdf
		+	[2] https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-2398/Paper17.pdf
		+	[3] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?doi=8207c73dfb568eae136c3ab9d8d549a3379f402a&repid=rep1&type=pdf
		+	[4] https://www.redalyc.org/journal/6945/694574419013/html/
		+	[5] http://www.whatlifeis.info/pages/Themes/Origins/Autopoiesis.html
		+	[6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4626623/
		+	[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
		+	[8] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360360/

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 Science and biology: [[autopoesis]] = capacity to regenerate itself
 =Regenerative finance=
 Regenerative Finance is shifting the economy by transferring control of capital to communities most affected by racial, economic, and environmental injustices.
-See [[SEEDs]] (by [[Hypha]]).
+=Regenerative economy=
+Related to [[permaculture]]. Developed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fullerton John Fullerton]

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−	~~To be~~ developed...	+	Two approaches to define it.
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		+	Science and biology: [[autopoesis]] = capacity to regenerate itself
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		+	Economy: John Fulerthon developed the concept of [[regenerative economy]]. For him regen finance is investment without capture.
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		+	=Regenerative finance=
		+	Regenerative Finance is shifting the economy by transferring control of capital to communities most affected by racial, economic, and environmental injustices.
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		+	See [[SEEDs]] (by [[Hypha]]).
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		+	=See also=
		+	[[Regenerative economy]]